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Title: Who will bring the change? Post by: zubram on February 04, 2006, 03:19:44 PM You will hear, read and participate in many discussion either directly or mutely when these discussions are aired in TV… about the necessity of change we Indians require at the earliest if possible immediately.
Who will bring the change? That “who” when he will come and how he will come.. till that we continue to adjust without any change? Till that time we discuss and go home and live happily ever after??? Why discussion, instead of looking at us in a mirror. It is YOU who has to change so that your friends will change, your neighbors will change, your village will change and your state and your country will change. Plague! It has got its new name “Lethargy” Not using your voting right is to day most dangerous disease AIDS in India. Dangerously it is not only hereditary but also an epidemic – with uncontrollable magnitude. Simple examples: The most revered and most educated and most intelligent Tamilnadu people proved themselves equal to those belongs to the state of Orissa or Jharkand… Excuse me for the comparison – I apologies. Mr T R Balu who was a central minister in NDA Government for 5 years – say near about 5 years is also again a central minister in UPA Government – And he is talking about Common Minimum Program … Who is to be blamed…. Ask them. They say that illiterates voted them to power. Did you ever voted? A Big NO! or he will start explaining why he has not voted. Come to West Bengal – the Left front people – who are in big positions, big contractors, big officers – religiously come to the booth and wait for their turn and vote and in Kolkata – all people belongs to all parties vote for their respective candidates. It is not like this in any state. What this Loksatta is doing only masturbation in public. Have you ever stopped any body from standing elections. In AP even a maidservant will vouch for the good deeds done by Chandrababu Naidu – I am not belongs his cast, I am Brahmin… Yet, today my son and daughter even before their final examinations results declared – they got jobs in MNCs. Who cares whether it is Cal Center or Send center – even die hard RSS man will remove his Scared thread and take visa for Saudi if a lucrative, tax free job is offered. There is no body like Satyavrata… If you sat you are, people will treat you as mad man… Eat the public money… do some thing for them… Same thing DMK did and ADMK did and TDP did. What Congress is doing is its reversal. They should feel shame for the recent National Rural Employment for HUNDRED DAYS…. Not 365 and the other 265 days the rural poor will have to starve!!! And this they have done after 55 years ruling this country. Who will stop this nonsense --- who will bring right people to right job… At least if some section of people start a movement like “ VOTE – VOTE not for you…but for YOUR children.. or Not voting is like having AIDS like movements …. Without any grand gala has to be started and time is now… so that by next elections the voting pattern will change. I can write volumes on this … I would like to know your opinion . Thanks Title: Re: Who will bring the change? Post by: divyashri on February 05, 2006, 09:32:17 AM I dont really know how your views on Lok Satta became so.. >:(
As far as I know, they're working to bring about electoral reforms. And there is hope. To change the system, WE need to be a part of the system. We can't escape that but not everybody has the luxury to leave their present responsibilities and be a part of it. There are many organizations which are working towards makig a difference. Sure, it starts out with cynicism but if you keep at it and try to BE tha change you want to see, you'll find that your hopelessness will change to optimism. The fact is that today's generation is more aware about the country and are proactive in making the changes. We know the problems that exist. What you've listed out are mere drops in the ocean. But we've made a start. And yeah, you can be sure Congress will be kicked out of power the next time around in A.P. We miss CBN!! Title: Re: Who will bring the change? Post by: indian on February 05, 2006, 12:31:19 PM I agree with Divya to ask Zubram why your views are so harsh against Lok Satta? I personally think that they are trying and we all need to support them.
But Zubram is right on Voting issue and people who skip voting are really like AIDS to Indian society. Title: Re: Who will bring the change? Post by: zubram@gmail.com on February 08, 2006, 12:31:32 PM Ms Divya
I would like to tell you some thing. Mr Jayaprakash comes to the public whenever there is a season for elections. You know and evey one knows that nothing has been done to stop the criminals from contesting or getting elected or taking the ministry positions. Glaring example is one in our AP ministry... one cabinet minister. In this type of situation, who need to be educated, ask your self. Only the educated, higghly educated and upper middle class and high class people need to be educated! well why and how? The poor and so called downtroden are not educated so for school registers are concerned but they are more intelligent and highly enlightned in politics. They knows and well aware that no educated person will not use his voting right and the space is clear for them to use it as they like and it is time they have to look after themselves by bargaining from the political parties. I wrote to Lokastta 3 years back, I wrote to TN Seshan to take this issue and that it self will make him another mahatma - I wrote to CBN and his son by which I said CBN can bring change in the whole process nd create an agenda which congress or JDU or Janata Dal can ever dream of taking part. It;s like getting into the shoes of Rajeev Gandhi and making ourself another Rajeev. Frankly it's an opportunity for these people if they say one slogan that like Bharat Mahan... " Progress and prosperity throguh people participation... of all... Congress is not interested and always talks about Gribi Hato... Garibi already gone, for them it is still there. That is it. Title: Re: Who will bring the change? Post by: divyashri on February 12, 2006, 12:39:06 PM irst of all, you are forgetting that there are people throughout the country who are working towards educating the underprivileged.
What you want to see is a drastic change and in a country with 1.1 billion voices that's impossible, at best! Sure there are politicians whose claim to fame is that they have studied only till class 5 and they are MLAs now! I agree that there should be a minimum standard of education for all politicians but even Laloo was a student leader and we all know how that ended. Luckily Bihar has woken up to Nitish tho' I'm doubtful if he'll be allowed to make a change. And coming back to your original question, "Who will be the change?", I think we need to find that answer within ourselves. Each of us can and SHOULD be the change. I'm totally anti-Congress and everything from their names for all their poorly planned schemes to a joke that is the NREG scheme irritates the hell outa me so I'd rather not go there or maybe I will but when I'm in a better mood! :) Title: Re: Who will bring the change? Post by: zubram on February 15, 2006, 05:29:59 AM I am afraid that you have not understood the concept behind my idea of “change”. I am not talking about educating the poor and I am not talking about the criminals in the politics and I am not talking about the Laloo etc.,
I am only talking about a kind of movement which should be started by the young people like you and other members explaining the consequences of NOT USING THE VOTING RIGHT . Political parties are aware that if the total percentage is around 53% then the mandate is not from the educated or affluent. You can verify the records that in 1977 when Smt Indira Gandhi went for snap polls after emergency the voting percentage was 70% . In Hyderabad all the people residing in colonies erected tents to mobilize the people for voting and when Jagjeevan Ram visited Hyderabad there were no upper cast or scheduled cast or schedule tribe or Madiga Porata Samithi or Maala Mahanadu… It was everyone united as he has played a bitter master stroke on Smt Indira by coming out of Congress. And everyone was hoped and voted that Jagjivan Ram will become prime minister but Morarji Desai spoiled the mandate. Again after the assassination of Rajeev Gandhi, note it is only after his assassination only, the voting percentage was above normal – around 60 to 68% Compared to that and present and 2004 elections the percentage was not even crossed 50%. The reason is lethargy of the so called educated who were cock sure that NDA will come and CBN will some how will come. I have even taken a opinion poll in Telengana and 90% were sure of CBN’s victory. Why, What happened and who is behind it. It’s only that we – the educated, middle class, upper middle class – have not voted. Be aware, that most of these 3 or 5 lacs NGO’s are in a position to make or mar the electoral results. Understand and gauge the situation about where we are heading??? The real reflection is just 2 days back Jayalalitha announced sweet benefits to the TN NGO’s as she has understood that these people may create the trouble. Are we going to be the slaves of these NGOs, apart from Politicians – these Government employees are going to write and dictate our fate??? are we going to listen to the daily threats of CPI and CPM for another 10 years, are we going to have multiple stages of goondas ? Do we agree that we became impotent? Do we satisfy by just making small sounds in the computer blogs and get our selfs satisfied and rest assured? What I am asking is a real and practical movement to generate interest in voting. And it is like buzz marketing – mouth to mouth advertisement. We don’t need funds, don’t require mass satyagraha, no TV 9 or ETV 2 or Deccan Chronicle. It is right time that each one of us stand in Q once in 5 years and vote - never mind to whom you vote, VOTE…. Is what we need to encourage. We have to smash, crack, destroy and deliberately dissolve the political calculations that only appeasement will get them votes. When most of you YOUNG people, are forming the part of the present generation, who are well versed in blogging and web and internet and email… why not use this medium and propagate the idea of using the voting right. I am afraid as some body already said that … Bihar will become AP and AP will become Bihar in the next 5 years. To develop you need 15 years and to underdevelop, you need maximum 5 years. For 30 years CPM ruled the W Bengal and it is like another Congo and Ethiopia today… I was there for 13 years and I can tell that… All the congress workers are living in Assam, not in Bengal. Just 3 days back there was a news item that in one Loksabga seat, one CPM candidate was elected with 5.95 lakhs majority in 2004 and after analysis, it came to know that in minimum 10 polling booths, there were no votes polled to the opposition!!!! Even though the village was divided between CPM and Congress equally. That means they were not allowed to vote I can design small messages can design a web site and write the content and make slogans… any takers for this movement. It will not take years… It will bring the real revolution. And that will bring the “Sama Samajam” Then the India will shine… No one can stop it. Subrahmanyam Title: Re: Who will bring the change? Post by: divyashri on February 16, 2006, 10:06:44 AM Okay, if it's just about the vting issue, I agree on it completely.
Before the next elections, we can create an awareness drive in and around AP. I don't know if it was ultimately incumbency or the fact that the rural poor were supposedly neglected that CBN lost but whatever it, I'm sure the final result would've been a different picture had all the "educated, middle class, upper middle class" vote. In case you want to start an awareness drive on this, I'm completely with you. We can make some docs about the importance of voting(inluding some of the issues you've brought up and more). Educating the educated will be a lot easier as we can find most of them online. Let me know. Title: Re: Who will bring the change? Post by: njsrikar on February 22, 2006, 03:11:24 PM I totally agree with u Mr.Subramanyam.
CBN only lost coz the educated dint vote at all, although am not sure abt he neglecting the villages etc etc. i was totally surprised to see TDP losing in 2004. as everyone hv been saying, every part of hyderabad/AP is being named after either rajeev or indira or some other ghandi'an (not mahatma). sick! even CBN and his party is not that gud, but comparing it wid da INC/APCC, TDP is much much better, thats wat i feel. both are bad, but among these, i feel TDP is a better one. atleast CBN has a command over all his sub ordinates and the party, unlike YSR, who runs to Delhi every now and then for taking a small decision. yes, i also would like to volunteer in any of the activities you take up for encouraging the "educated" to use there most powerfull weapon(and the only one available :D ) against/along the politicians/leaders of our gr8 nation. Title: Re: Who will bring the change? Post by: zubram on February 23, 2006, 10:44:24 AM Thanks! at least there is one person who understands the depth and width of my concept. It's not that I am supporting any body... but let us have a satisfaction that a governement is elected by all the - majority of the people. See today and yesterday in assembly and loksabha...
Reservations in Private Organizations? where it will end. I am afraid thay may ask reservations in Visas in USA. Even after 2 years AP Governement says that they just came yesterday when members asked for what about their promises and blame CBN for their failures Manmohan singh keeping quit and reading as he likes while interfering in the CBI, Allowing Bofors money to be wiothdrawn Sonia's move to count the religious population in army and just think and hazard the situation if only NDA took this decision?????? I am afraid there is an undercurrent and UPA wants to do everyting within the available time without a mandate. Ok. I will write letters - with nice catchy slogans... do you have some 1000 email address. And if Madam Divyasri is ready, why not use some sort of flatform - say organization name... to send the emai. we are not spreding AIDS, we are only asking the people to vote. And it should start NOW. We may get some replies and I can reply for any kind of commenrs. If Mr Joy is also ready and if this can be taken up please comment... I am retired and ready to spare time. Subrahmanyam Title: Re: Who will bring the change? Post by: VOA Admin on March 17, 2006, 11:03:14 PM I will help in any way I can. I have my own ambition of running for Member of Parliament from Vizag as an independent in the next elections. I want educated people and youth to listen to me and vote for me if they think I am worth their vote. We can start a campaign I am with you.
Title: Re: Who will bring the change? Post by: njsrikar on March 18, 2006, 02:32:57 AM gud to know that admin.
well, in that case, i would like you to join Bharat Uday Mission, if you have no problems. am asking this because we all have the same aim or ambition. then y go in two seperate paths, when we can make it possible together??? Title: Re: Who will bring the change? Post by: zubram on March 25, 2006, 05:13:37 AM The discussion was started by me and fortunately I got an excellent supporting argument in today’s Deccan Chronicle where the reputed and veteran Journalist Ms Seema Mustafa wrote under the heading of “Sacrifice? Indeed” the day after the big drama played on the gullible Indian public by that Cambridge return! You can read full article by visiting
www.deccanchronicle.com and go to “Columnist” then select Seema Mustafa…. Of 25th March. You can also read it in the main page of Voice of Ambition as well.. I am producing first 3 paragraphs for your information. Further, I sent an email to BJP asking Mr Advani to create an agenda by making the “Educating the educated – Voting” as his slogan. Please read and realize where we – the educated, middle class, high middle class, high class, upper class, above class, the class apart, and people above the poverty line, (sic..) people above the sea level and around the space ( those who died long time back but still vote – like in W Bengal) Read… You know something, the people of this country are not fools. This might come as something of a revelation to the political class, particularly the Congress whose intelligence has registered a steady decline over the years as it gets more and more steeped in its arrogance, but the people of India have a keen political sense, an innate sense of survival, a street smartness that is evident in each election where it is the rural folk and not the semi-educated urban dweller who determines the final result. Experience has leant a degree of cynicism to this wisdom, but despite the years of toil, the promises not delivered the resigned acceptance that the future will not change dramatically in a lifetime, it is the rural voter who stands patiently for hours in the queue to cast the precious vote. It is not the slick urban dweller, reaping the benefits of globalization, who can be bothered to get out of his car and join the toiling masses to exercise his franchise, for in the final analysis for him “they are all the same.” The villager has learnt, the hard way, that he has no other say in the system, no way to manipulate the system, and even if he knows, nothing will change, he will still give it a good try once every five years when the election finally comes his way. Somehow, this is interpreted by the politician as helplessness, as a sentiment that can be exploited, and when the political parties indulge in their machinations at the Centre, they appear to have forgotten that there is this silent majority, with an astute ear to the ground, that is listening and judging for it knows that every little move will impact on its future. It is the same people who threw out Indira Gandhi, a leader of no mean repute, not just because of the Emergency, but because she became so arrogant that she stopped listening to the rural voice. It is the same people who brought her back as they realized that the Janata experiment, was just that, an experiment that had no vision and no strategy. Title: Re: Who will bring the change? Post by: Bhola on March 26, 2006, 01:31:02 AM You will hear, read and participate in many discussion either directly or mutely when these discussions are aired in TV… about the necessity of change we Indians require at the earliest if possible immediately. Who will bring the change? That “who” when he will come and how he will come.. till that we continue to adjust without any change? Till that time we discuss and go home and live happily ever after??? Why discussion, instead of looking at us in a mirror. It is YOU who has to change so that your friends will change, your neighbors will change, your village will change and your state and your country will change. Plague! It has got its new name “Lethargy” Not using your voting right is to day most dangerous disease AIDS in India. Dangerously it is not only hereditary but also an epidemic – with uncontrollable magnitude. Simple examples: The most revered and most educated and most intelligent Tamilnadu people proved themselves equal to those belongs to the state of Orissa or Jharkand… Excuse me for the comparison – I apologies. Mr T R Balu who was a central minister in NDA Government for 5 years – say near about 5 years is also again a central minister in UPA Government – And he is talking about Common Minimum Program … Who is to be blamed…. Ask them. They say that illiterates voted them to power. Did you ever voted? A Big NO! or he will start explaining why he has not voted. Come to West Bengal – the Left front people – who are in big positions, big contractors, big officers – religiously come to the booth and wait for their turn and vote and in Kolkata – all people belongs to all parties vote for their respective candidates. It is not like this in any state. What this Loksatta is doing only masturbation in public. Have you ever stopped any body from standing elections. In AP even a maidservant will vouch for the good deeds done by Chandrababu Naidu – I am not belongs his cast, I am Brahmin… Yet, today my son and daughter even before their final examinations results declared – they got jobs in MNCs. Who cares whether it is Cal Center or Send center – even die hard RSS man will remove his Scared thread and take visa for Saudi if a lucrative, tax free job is offered. There is no body like Satyavrata… If you sat you are, people will treat you as mad man… Eat the public money… do some thing for them… Same thing DMK did and ADMK did and TDP did. What Congress is doing is its reversal. They should feel shame for the recent National Rural Employment for HUNDRED DAYS…. Not 365 and the other 265 days the rural poor will have to starve!!! And this they have done after 55 years ruling this country. Who will stop this nonsense --- who will bring right people to right job… At least if some section of people start a movement like “ VOTE – VOTE not for you…but for YOUR children.. or Not voting is like having AIDS like movements …. Without any grand gala has to be started and time is now… so that by next elections the voting pattern will change. I can write volumes on this … I would like to know your opinion . Thanks Dear Writer, Unless you cook yourself,you cannot eat the Food? Unless you sow the seeds? you will not get the plants that gives you BEAUTIFULL FLOWERS, FRUITS etc. similarly in the development of the Nation unless you yourself contribute your part as the Citizen of a country things cannot be changed? for which one has to sacrifice, unless you have this mentality NATION cannot be made or changed??? Title: Re: Who will bring the change? Post by: zubram on March 26, 2006, 07:34:55 AM Dear
I have not expressed about what I did earlier and still doing it. You can see a Telugu podstat message on this issue. Just a week back I wrote to 10 tamils bloggers asking them to utilise their voting right in the next elections, as whatever Tamilnadu do, AP will follow and the nation will follow. I wrote to CBN and his son, and wanted to write to friends at residing at Vizag, to send me at least 5 email address so that I can send them the message asking them to send each one to another 5 IDs of their friends at Vizag. Because its a medium by which a sailent message can be achieved, I am trying this. I am ready, willing to design small messages in colorful graphics and can write good speech, able to create slogans - if some one is interested to receive. Say yes, tomarrow I will open a blog and from there you can download. Thanks Subrahanyam Title: Re: Who will bring the change? Post by: UT1244 on April 06, 2006, 06:53:54 AM I agree that '" We the people" have to bring a change in this country.
But except those who have suffered at the hands of the corrupt leaders do not wish to change. They may talk about change and take part in campaigns against the politicians, but when it comes to taking matters in their own hands, they turn their backs. There is a book I read called - "Who Moved My Cheese" it outlines the fears people face when changing and why they shouldn't fear change. The only remedy for this is to restart the system and convert India to Utopia. Title: Re: Who will bring the change? Post by: zubram on April 06, 2006, 03:51:33 PM Arre Bhai! Get up from sleep and understand the consequences. Not for you, for your children. It’s time the Indians and Bharat Uday should start a email campaign like sms to NDTV asking everyone to vote so that these Vote Bank politics will be stopped. Today that old man gave 50% reservations in IIM and IIT and after few days he may give in ISB also.
As long as you are not serious and enjoy the holiday and as long as the voting percentage is below 52% you will hear more things like this and your son or your grand son has to witness the Rahul’s son becoming prime minister. I am not against these people, but how they can change our fate? In fact we are – the middle class and upper middle class and educated people – who will not use , stand in a q, sit and enjoy the TV and perish. It’s no talking some thing which is cosmetic and it’s not good to quote some Vivekanada or Gandhi… Please send this mail to all your friends about asking them to VOTE VOTE any how. And ask them to send this mail to their friends. For the betterment of society and Country at large. Please Please
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