Telangana State

[VOA Admin]

For some years now the revived campaign for a sperate state of Telangana breaking Andhra Pradesh is going on. I personally feel that there is nothing good that can come out by breaking the state and selfish motives of some bunch of leaders and their followers is the real thing behind all this. But as we all know politics play a major role in deciding the fate of the state than people's opinion. So what do you all think? Tell us your opinion.

[rajpalrao]

While I can understand your point clearly, I want to clarify something.

Telangana represents 42% of the total area of the state and is home to 40% of its total population. Area of Telangana is bigger than 15 states of India, i.e. Bengal, Kerala, Bihar, Assam, Punjab, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh, Tripura and newly formed Uttranchal, Jarkhand and Chattisgarh.

I have some basic questions that I need clarification from you, if we go in depth and dig history, we might end up writing pages for ages which we will not find answers for.

1) Why is Telangana still an under-developed and backward region even after 50 years of independance?
2) Why are people of Telangana denied of their share in local quotas?
3) Why are farmers of Telangana committing suicides?
4) Why are pending projects not taking shape, why are water resources i.e dams, check-dams are not constructed for efficient usage of water? Why are most parts of Telangana dry event though 70% of Krishna and Godavari river flows in Telanagana?
5) What development did Telangana achieve in these many years?
6) Why is 610 GO taking ages to get implemented?
7) Why are children more malnourished in this region?

No issue can be elevated until and unless there isn't any support from people in a democratic country. Revolution is born out of suppression and humiliation and our history itself depicts that humans cannot take such forms in their life for ages and they revolt at some point. So is Telangana issue, it is a peoples’ movement born out of their problems, born out of humiliation, loss of their legal share in employment and the list continues. Moreover, Telangana demand is demand for self-respect, respect to their culture, language, proper utilization of their natural resources for their development

One might ask Why do people need two states with one language? I ask, If one language, one state is the norm, why do we have 9-Hindi speaking states then?

Telangana was independent in past and we want it to liberate from combined Andhra, indeed it was not the intention of Telangana region to get combined with Andhra at any point of time. Even before combined Andhra was formed. After it got merged, late Nehru said that,  'Telanagana was marital alliance with always scope for divorce' making it clear that this region cannot remain combined as he has seen the resentment of Telanganites on the issue.

I want to make one point clear here that we are not against other Telugu speaking people and we want to live in complete communal harmony and peace, but we stress that we want to live a life with equal rights, with equal justice, we want to live as ordinates of our lives and not as sub-ordinates, we want to be in control of our own emotions, our lives, we want to preserve our culture, tradition, festivals, pride and prejudice.

Nagarjuna Sagar project was taken up as a joint project between the then Andhra State and the then Hyderabad State in 1954, before creation of AP on linguistic norms. On the basis of the agreement the project was to be jointly executed with left canal to serve 7.95 lakh acres in Nalgonda and Khammam districts with 161 TMC feet of water as its share. Around 2 lakh acres of lands in Andhra State limits were also to be served from the left canal. This joint project report was protected under section 108 (2a) of S.R. Act. With the reorganization of states and the merging of Telangana with Andhra, the Andhra State became sole authority to execute the project.

My questions are:
1) Why was ayacut in Nalgonda and Khammam districts reduced from 7.95 lakhs acres to 5.30 lakh acres?
2) At the same time, why was ayacut increased in Andhra from 2.05 lakh acres to 3.78 lakh acres?

Rajpal Rao M

[VOA Admin]

You have raised many questions that needs answers and I will post my questions later in the day.

[VOA Admin]

Mr. Rajpal,
You have raised some excellent points and I have no specific numbers to quote here to supoort one way or the other. Though I come from Vizag I have lived in different parts of our state. In Telangana region I lived in Bellampalli, Ramagundam, Peddapalli, Warangal, Dornakal and also spent time in many other places in Telangana. As my roots are in West Godavari region and know the places quite a lot I am in a better place to understand what you are talking about.

You have made some broad statements like more people in Telangana are malnourished. I personally haven’t observed this nor read any scholarly statistical analysis.

It is my opinion that the region of Godavari and coastal Andhra has good crop productions just because they are lucky enough to be there in a naturally productive land. Where as Telangana region has many good fertile places but some regions need a big project to provide water.

Farmer deaths in Warangal are a failure of the Naidu government.

What I strongly believe is that Telangana is under developed because the leaders of the region failed to achieve results and not because of any conspiracy theory. As it is a fact that no major project has been undertaken in recent memory solely for the benefit of the region it is time a comprehensive solution is sought without breaking up the state.

[rajpalrao]

Hi,

I understand your point that you didnt observe such things or there are any statistical analysis, but if you were to visit some villages, eg. Palamoor, you will be shocked to see the situation there. It may be the failure of the past and present govts or local leadrs or whatever.....the situation since 40 years has become so worst. I donno if you have any idea of that district, but all I can say is its pathetic and I dont blame Andhra people solely for that, my point is that in combined state, justice cannot be done to any part of Telangana region.

Your opinion is indeed is 100% right, you guys are lucky though to have good fertile lands and lot of water resources to harness and Telangana needs projects and why were these projects not completed even after 40 years of formation of combined state?

Farmer deaths in Warangal are not just failure of the Naidu's government but its the long-term injustice done to the region which is showing drastic effects now. There is no doubt, if in future if all the present generation farmers commit suicide or leave farming which could hit hard on the sector and the next generation would never take interest in farming as its not fetchy for them and then we need to import rice.

Leaders of Telangana failed to achieve results, I agree with you partly, but I dont agree on it 100%.

For your knowledge, I give you a link to the telecast on Palamoor which came in Zee TV Telugu

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=14279657078807116&q=palamoor
Please take time to go through...

Rajpal Rao M

[VOA Admin]

you guys are lucky though to have good fertile lands

Mr. Rajpal I never consider myself belonging to Andhra or Telangana but I am proud to be born in A.P.

I watched the video at the link you provided and as I was seeing it my emotions were so high that I myself want to be a part of separate Telangana movement. I know the issues before but after seeing the story of Palamoor I have realized that I do not know many pieces of the spectrum.

The present government has promised that it will see that the irrigation projects in the region will be completed in 3 to 4 years. But I doubt the sincerity of the government and the politicians.

I still feel that we all can be one if only the government implements the projects to uplift the regions in Telangana with utmost sincerity. I want our state to be one because a new state of Telangana will not solve the problems immediately and it will take time to create sufficient revenues and generate funds for the development of the region. So I do sympathize with the moment but I strongly believe that development in the regions affected can be brought in a short time if the state remains one. But this depends upon the seriousness of the government to solve the problem.

[rajpalrao]

Hi,

Thanks for taking time and watching video. Palamoor is just and example and there are many like that.

Present and past govts planned lot of things and all ditched the region and its people leaving them to their fate.

The new state of Telangana might not solve the problems immediately and it will take time to create sufficient revenues and generate funds for the development of the region but in long run we will have our own region where we get justice on all aspects.

We have been waiting for long 40 years to get justice and our share and with combined state how can we still expect development in the regions affected in a short time?  That which didnt happen in 40 years, how can it happen now?

If the region was developed since 40 years this situation wouldnt have arised now, what do you say? So, immediately implementing some projects "kanneetini tudipe charyalu" will not work. The social dynamics were different then and are different now.

[VOA Admin]

Still lots to discuss. Lets keep this going and post some updated news and info on the subject regularly.

This time there should be permanent solution and no foooling around anymore.

[truthwhines]

I agree completely with Rajpalrao. Everything looks just fine in district headquaters you have to go to interior villages to see what state people are in.
The fight for Telangana is a just cause anyway you look at it.
Andhra Pradesh was thrusted upon Telangana not the other way around. People of Telangana after paying their dues for 400 years have right to their own destiny. 400 lives were sacrificed for Telangana -
Telangana Praja Samiti won 10 out of 11 Telangana seats, but because of selfish leaders the people of Telangana were deprived of voice in Parliament.

[zubram]

If it is not good - it can be delited

Let me also interfere in this interesting subject.  When  I was doing my B Com, in 1970 Late Mr. Mallikharjun was moving with Praja Samithi flag near by Abids road – who later became a minister Central   Government. 

In those days there was a curfew for 15 days and when I see the city from Azamgadh hiisl, I saw total Hyderabad was under flames.  Army has to be called in.  At that time the workers and other people of Telengana ( including the vegetable vendors ) used to say that once we vacate the houses will be distributed to them.

He who believes and go by emotions is a fool!  How Hyderabad has developed is every body’s knowledge.  How many people from Nalgonda, Karimnagar and Nizamabad are staying at US can be concluded like this:

My boss went to US for business trip and returned after 15 days – He informed that exactly on the same street where Intel or Oracle HQ is there – that market is like our Monda Market – I asked how you compare with Monda – He said he can hear only Telengana language and Hyderabad Urdu there!


Another important question is that Nizam’s state was included in the AP state as most of the people are talking in Telugu – and the regions where Kannada and Marathi people are there – that was attached to Maharastra and Karnataka – why not ask like Jarkhanda – to make it as actual old Telengana?  Why only Telugu people’s land?

Who has to come and decide about our internal conflicts – Is it Karunanidhi or Maaran or Mukherjee or RJD MP?  Do we have any sense in brining others in this family dispute.

Government will think twice and thrice or may delay the separation – because it’s like creating a Kashmir in the center of the India state – by creating a separate Telengana.

Mr. Raja is giving statistics – why no body was asking KCR about what he did for 9 years in TDP? 

Any one – including the administrator of VOA – who is from Srikakulam will explain how underdeveloped is that region?   Every one knows that Ananthapur and Rayalaseema are totally underdeveloped – and under the grip of the internal fightings.

A Karimnagar resident can visit Hyderabad in day time and return in the evening... Can any body from Sri Kakulam or Kadapa can do like that. 

Some people are telling the Mahaboobnagar people are migrating to other states – Are we NOT – the IT people – migrating to USA – That means India has to be divided and part is to be given to Dubai or Pakisthan – We have every right and freedom to visit any place and stay there.

Ask MB Nagar dailywages worker at Mumbai – he earns Rs 500 per day – I saw one day that there were 5 ordinary buses from Pune and Mumabi – one to Jadcheral, one to Nalgonda 2 to Mahaboobnagar and another one to Hyderabad.  It was not so with AP!

Have some mercy on our mother tongue.  Staying in your home town and reading papaers and doing politics – you can not expect development -  We have come to Hyderabad after selling all our lands.  Earlier in the year 1960 my two elder bothers went to Calcutta.  Ssk Mr Joy – most of the Vizag and Srikakulam people will be available at Calcutta and stay at Kidderpore. 

Come, stay and look and take some venture – in Coastal andhra.  The dependence is like one fellow will start an industry and there will be direct and indirect employment.  Naxalites are looking with bated breath when this state will be divided. 

One thing – mark my words – if it is going to be divided – Telengana people will have no voice, issue to voice and will see the old days once again!  Remember – the great PV Narasimha Rao – when BJP was creating trouble about Babri Masjid – in every 3 years – he kept quit – he knows that some thing will fall on him – it was removed – and the major moving force behind the BJP or VHP was vanished!

You will have think many issues – Sardar Patel was not a fool! Jawahr Lal was not a Fool. Smt Indira Gandhi was a staunch Indian.  She has noted many things on the secret files.  No body dared to cross the line!
 

[truthwhines]

Dear Zubram,
On this site you can speak your mind and not worry about your post being deleted.
I'm not an eyewitness to the happenings of first agitation for Telangana - but I know the background leading to it and as everyone will agree it was not as simple as people joining agitation to take over "houses". If that is what you observed from an agitation where scores of people were killed on streets and an unknown political party won 99% of the seats then I cannot make you believe otherwise.

I won't go into detail about how the demographics, language/culture on a typical street dominated Indian shops is like - however to contend the Monda market comment - is it wrong to speak Telangana Telugu or Hyderabadi Urdu on US streets. What do you think other Indians speak with their friends and family?

Telangana agitation is more for a separate Telanagana than anti-Andhra. Have you seen anything to contrary to that?

You are right that Nizam's rule extended to parts of Karnataka and Maharashtra - but those states were always on the periphery even during Nizam's rule (Bidar, gulbarga etc., - you will find more of Aurangzeb's/Mughal remnants there than Nizam's - it is like comparing oranges and apples).

You just said that speaking Telangana Telugu and Hyderbabi Urdu is like Monda market - but in the same breath you say that "why only Telugu people's land" - you decide what you want to categorize Telangana language as a language or something else.
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How Hyderabad has developed is every body’s knowledge.

Hyderabad is 400 year old cosmopolitan city built using taxes collected from Hyderabadis - it was the fifth largest city in Indian before AP and still is. It was a beautiful city before and to us it still holds a charm - the only thing that changed is mass migration and crowding due to unplanned development fueled by Hyderbadi tax payers. A city like Hyderabad is a juggernaut that will roll on, anyone who thinks that doling out land to their chamchas and making money cheating people who previously owned land developed is living in fool's paradise. Is giving land to companies and then making money on the land surrounding it is development, it is nothing but colonization and profiting without ethics. Watch some old Telugu movies, documentaries shot in Hyderabad in 1950s to get an idea of what the city was like.
In addition it speaks a lot about people who took advantage of lop sided political clout to as call it "develop" Hyderabad - now Telangana entrepreneurs want to finally break away from the stifling Andhra political clout.

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"Who has to come and decide about our internal conflicts – Is it Karunanidhi or Maaran or Mukherjee or RJD MP?  Do we have any sense in brining others in this family dispute. "

Family dispute? - how did it end up a family dispute. The Telangana state did not form for "familial" reason - but rather was thrust upon based on wrong foundations of language. Nehru was also reluctant and observed that one tyranny will be replaced with another and he was right.
After separation from Madras state Andhra wanted Madras as capital when it was not given they had to do with Kurnool until they used their clout to get Hyderabad as capital. Would anyone have cared for Hyderabad if it wasn't as developed and cosmopolitan at that time.

It is not about KCR or any person or party  - it is about the fight for justice - people or parties don't matter here. This struggle has survived the selfish politics of so many politicians that it is incredible to still have this kind of following.

You are justifying a person migrating because he has to decide between starvation death or suicide - that is totally insensitive and ignorant statement. There are scores of old helpless people left behind in villages who a dying a slow painful death - many wives and children who are waiting for their loved ones to return. Do you know how many successful projects have seen light of the day since 1956 in Telangana - even though both Godavari and Krishna run through Telangana no project directly helps harness that water.
There are more failed bore wells in villages than people.

I don't know much about Srikakulam - but I agree there are other backward districts in AP - so does that justify not fighting for Telangana? It is not a knee jerk reaction it is a mass movement spread over 3 generations now.

So you are saying that Telangana should not be formed because you fear Naxals? That argument does not hold water - I'm sure there are no naxals in Srikakulam and Orissa border. Naxals are result of AP not the other way around.

It is not a coincidence that most prominent politicians, businessmen, movie producers from Coastal Andhra -  money and power makes mountains move and thanks to canal irrigation it does not take sacrificing food to finance borewells for water.

On the contrary to what you said about nothing will change because powers that be are omnipotent - I will say that let us all fight for what is right - a single voice has the power to change the world - don't accept status quo - educate yourself and fight for your right.

[zubram]

I am sorry that my comparison has taken an unexpected twist.  What I would like to emphasize is that so many people from Telengana region moved over there / or working over there.  That is it.  It’s not like disliking the dialect and we like it and there is a specific beauty for that. 

In fact by listening the dialect – we can immediately recognize whether he is from East Godavari or Krishna or Nellore or Kadpa or Vizag or Karimnagar or Nizamabad!  That much difference you can find there.

More importantly – while you were telling that you were not aware of the Srikakulam backwardness and not aware of the 1977 agitation – I am afraid you are dependent on the news paper reports or TV reports instead of reality!

What I am asking is what Telengana they are asking?  Why NOW? What happened for all these years! And Telengana is simply what it is now in AP or which was actually before the Army action?

What you refer about mass movement?  Please do not paint colors for some thing what politicians are talking.  In that case you will say that naxalisim is a mass movement! What is Mass? Who is mass?

Suppose if you go to US, let us visualize – and earn sufficient money and start an industry and employ people – you will take people from India or you will settle for American people – At that time you are worried about economy! Whatever you talk preach and pray – when the crunch comes – Money matters!  You are talking about canals – as if Andhra is like another Venice !  East Godavari which is on the banks of Godavari – the major city there is Rajahmundry – from Rajahmundry travel towards Bhadrachalam – just after one hour by bus – you will see people on the roads! It is an agency area – for about another 200 miles you will see only jungle!

Like wise you find everywhere these problems are there – you can not say these problems are concentrated there only!  And for that – separation is not the medicine!  Development is!  I trust that people stop depending on politicians and sooth Sayers and neo – revolutionaries – instead look towards themselves and work for better. 

And mere sloganeering will do no good!  The separation will not do any harm to Andhra, but will do un-told difficulties for economy!

Have a vision, have some mercy and have an outlook – 

[truthwhines]

I understand that sometimes meaning is lost in the words. However, can you explain why you want to "emphasize  that so many people from Telengana region moved over there / or working over there" - I can argue with such a frivolous statement but it will be waste of time. I understand that you are going by what you heard from your "boss" who it appears does not see a person but where the person is from and what his/her dialect is - hope he does not judge a person by the region he is from. Anyway I digress - As an educated person, I do read, listen and view various media - however as an intelligent person I go a step further and research what I hear/see/read.

I admit I do not know the reasons for Srikakulam backwardness nor the rise and fall of Jai Andhra agitation in the same sense I don't know how a 1000 ton aeroplane can fly and how a Television works
I do know how many districts in Telangana are suffering from severe drought and what the tangible and intangible costs of years of neglect.
As you mentioned my reality is - I was born and raised in Telangana and that is why I made an effort to learn more about the reasons for its backwardness. I believe that news papers report to your senses and not your intelligence - most of the actual documents, statistical reports are available if you look hard. My views are not based on media hype - because I have been educating myself even before this issue was a media hype.

I'm not sure I understand your question about "why now" - well to you it may seem like it is happening now, and I don't blame you - because you like many others think that what you see is what is happening and what you don't see or hear is a surprise. This issue for most of us has never gone away, so not a question of why now but why not now or anytime for that matter.

I'm not "painting colors" - I'm just saying what to me is a fact of life and to you it apparently is a media hype or a politicians selfish agenda. You do not see things the way I do, that is completely understandable.
I don't see how you can justify Naxalism as a mass movement (which it is not except for a few marginalized people in mostly tribal and people oppressed by feudalism). On the other hand you have a struggle that is being fought in public debates, in elections as any just cause is. I definitely see this as a mass movement because a relatively unknwon party with a rag tag group of politicians was able to get high percentage of votes. All political parties are shouting from roof tops that they will get separate statehood for Telangana (not that I trust them - but I believe a politician only utters what the people want to listen).

I don't get the analogy of hiring Americans etc., - But I get the impression that you think the struggle for separate Telangana in terms of business, jobs etc., but to us it is more in terms of policy, resources, voice and power to shape our people's destiny many of whom are weak and powerless. I'm not saying Andhra (Tugoji, pagoji etc.,) are venice - all I'm saying is that Telangana has been savaged by powers that be by neglecting project and harnessing water. If I quote figures you will say it is news media bias - whereas all news media is owned by few.

Both Godavari and Krishna flow through Telangana and at the end reach Andhra, but man has stepped on the moon but our engineers cannot build or even repairs projects that Nizam built 

I'm not naive to think that problems are geographically concentrated, but to think that after 50 years of "experimenting" with united Andhra - it is wise to separate. Yes development is the way to go, but with current regional power imbalances true development is not sustainable - leaders change and so do their priorities. Just look at the "agreements" after Telangana struggle - it took 25 years and another mass movement to bring them back into news and may be implementation if we are lucky.
I don't see any "harm" to either Andhra or Telanagana. Telangana has a stronger foundation - there was no Andhra pre 1950 but there was Telangana pre 1950.

Yes, sloganeering will do nothing, just like it did nothing for our independence struggle  What does economy mean when people are comitting suicides and starving to death?
I have a vision where people will speak out for people who do not have a voice, fight for people who are powerless, where people will not think for their comforts and live a life of apathy. Apathy is sin.

[zubram]

No being a resident of either Telengana and Andhra – you have no – absolutely no authority to discuss on this issue!  I am sorry for that.  It’s a sentimental issue for Telengana people as well as andhra people – and whole lot of TELUGU people. In this issue we never allow other to preach, interfere or take stands.  It’s an issue concerning all TELUGU people.  Not just Telengana or Andhra  or Rayalaseema.

Smt Indira Gandhi created and developed the issue of Separate Sikh state and people are aware of the consequences.  Again Congress created ( YSR) KCR and now it is getting the trouble.  The people who supported Congress from outside AP were unable to see the state progressing in the last 9 years under Babu regime.  The same people started financing these politicians.  Now every one is happy that Dell developing center went to Tamil Nadu, Nokia went to TN and Volkswagen went to Maharastra etc., The reply will come and you will observe about what will happen if and when Telengana is separated. 

What is “Mass movement”?   There is no movement – no body is worried about Telengana or Andhra – but worried about real estate or daily food.  These takings has lost its value and currency.

That is it.

[rajpalrao]

"truthwhines" was born and raised in Telangana and that makes him a perfect Telanganite and gives him every right to react on the issue.

Mr. Zubram, you don’t have bear whiplashes to feel the pain....you can feel it if you have any respect for humanity and concern for others pain. In the same way, one doest have to be Telanganite to react, he can be any Indian who has the knowledge and concern for the cause.

For a person who doesn't understand what is mass movement and its importance, he can nonetheless understand the concern on its cause. As you said, if nobody is worried about Telengana, why did KCR win with such a huge majority? If you see the ground realities, his majority votes were those gained by congress and Telangana together. Still you say there is not concern for the cause and its not a mass movement? how do you measure mass movement in democracy? Can you define what is mass movement in your terms?

How Hyderabad has developed is every body's knowledge?
Can you shed more light on it? In my view, it was developed by the Nizams and the basic infrastructure still remains the same, i.e. drainage system, water reservoirs, osmania university, charminar, pattharghatti and other historical places remain the same..etc.. The subsequent development has been done by various govts as its the duty of the govt to do, even if it consists of andhrites or telanganites and they didnt do any favor on Hyderabad. I fail to understand why do Andhrites have a misconception that they are the sole developers of Hyderabad as if they have developed from ground level, despite the reality being that Hyd was well established and prosperous state then. One should be ashamed to claim for what they didnt do it? Or you mean that telanganites tax money was used by govt to develop Hyd and Andhrites have developed it with their personal money? Is hyderbad property of Andhrites to do so?

As my knowledge of history goes, Hyderabad was the wealthiest state before merger.  Hyderabad was the best 50 years back for that era in whole India than what it is for now and Andhraites wanted to reap on the same, that is reason why they have come here, I beilive. On the contrary, Vijayawada or Visakhaptnam were not so 50 years ago. Before merger of two states, Telangana had a trade surplus and Andhra was struggling to pay for its govt employees after separation from Madras. What do you have to say for this? Why were mulki rules never followed even though they were existing?

If someones says, Telangana was backward, I say, Telangana was not backward in natural resources. The mineral wealth of the state consists of coal, copper, iron, diamonds and gold, which were not exploited till date. Only coal mine now worked is the large one at Singareni, with an annual output of nearly half a million tons. This coal has enabled the then Nizam a guaranteed state railway to be worked so cheaply that it now returns a handsome profit to the state.

The two rivers of Krishna and Godavari flow 70% in Telangana region, which are not made to use for the region.  Pre-merger, 18 lakh hectares was getting irrigated and now its 12 lakhs odd.

You say, your boss went to US for business trip and returned after 15 days and He informed that exactly on the same street where Intel or Oracle HQ is there – that market is like our Monda Market and you asked how he compared with Monda then He said he can hear only Telengana language and Hyderabad Urdu there!

I feel that your boss has very -ve impression about Telangana people and he thinks that all Telangana is in Monda Market...but, his eyes were wide open when he knew that most of Telangana people were in silicon valley and hence with his pre-built image of Telanganites made him compare silicon valley to Monda.

You say, "Another important question is that Nizam's state was included in the AP state as most of the people are talking in Telugu" According to the recommendation of sate reorganization committee, its was not advised to merge Telangana with Andhra, but the then govt went against the wish of people. It was severe blow on democracy in actual terms.

You say, "it's like creating a Kashmir in the center of the India state – by creating a separate Telengana."

How can you compare Kashmir issue to Telangana? Both cannot be compared as the idiosyncrasy of the issues is different.

I don’t support separation of Kashmir from India but support separate state of Telangana. An Andhra guy might feel that I am biased and not fair enough in my argument.

Kashmir was part of India as was Pakistan before independence. As we know when all states joined Indian Union after Independence, the Raja of Kashmir Hari Singh refused to accede to either India or Pakistan and wanted to remain independent / autonomous. When Pakistan invaded Kashmir in the following year, the ruler of Kashmir sought help from the Indian government and agreed to place Kashmir under the dominion of India, i.e. it became part of India. As a result India sent its troops to Kashmir to help the Maharaja. A UN cease-fire in 1949 saw the end of fighting and created the first Line-of-Control which India is ready to accept as its international border, if I am right. In 1956 Kashmir was, in effect, integrated into the Indian Union under a new Constitution. However, Azad Kashmir, the area which Pakistan gained during its campaign in 1948, continues to remain with Pakistan.  There were several wars between India & Pakistan in due course of time. The most suffered were Kashmiri Pandits. Kashmiri Pandits were driven from their homeland after a campaign of intimidation and harassment was launched against them by the military-wing of the secessionists. Kashmiri Pandits were forced from their hearths and homes at the point of gun. The objective of this ethnic cleansing was to create a minority free Kashmir valley where the goal of Islamization could be easily forced on the ordinary people.  Well, we can keep talking on the issue w/o a stop.

Now we have 3 things here....
1. Independent India was formed.
2. Pakistan got separated as a country under Jinnah.
3. The fate of Kashmir was hanging.

Now if we see, since the raja agreed to place Kashmir under the dominion of India, it is a part of India and there is no question about it. But Pakistan has given it a religious angle and so on and on.........

Where as in the case of Telangana, it was forceful merger of two separate states:
1. Against the will and wish of people of T-region,
2. Against report of States Reorganization Commission (SRC) headed by Justice Fazal Ali not to integrate Telangana with Andhra. This commission was appointed by the then Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru.
3. To merely loot the resources of the region for their betterment.

Simply, it is merged against the constitution.

A careful analysis of this merger reveals that the Andhra elite were clever enough to fool the then Telangana leaders by forming "Pedda manushula oppandam," which in real terms never was lived upto by andhra elite. Our politicians were not capable enough / corrupt to not get Telangana even though people supported them with clear majority in its initial stages.
 
Telangana region was deceived depriving it of its rights.
If we seek separate status to Kashmir which is a part of India, we are dividing the country then. Whereas in Telangana we are an integral part of India itself but seeking separation to better utilize our resources for our betterment which is our right. There is no racial angle in this movement unlike Kashmir issue. There is no slaughter of ethnic groups unlike Kashmir issue.

I someone says, "Kashmir is demanding for Self-Government and demanding for separation, reasons could be different and even Telangana wants separation and self-government within the Frame work of our constitution, but ultimately, both like to have their own Identity and rule, as the people of both the regions felt that they are  deprived of their rights."

The above statement is very broad and careful analysis is needed here.

Kashmiris are deprived of their rights in terms of what & Telanganites are deprived of what rights? Is there no difference in both. We are enjoying absolute democracy in India but we are deprived of our rights to gain access to our resources and right to utilize them where as in Kashmir the case is different.

Kashmiris want self-rule and Telanganites want as well...but again there is a difference behind the kind of rule that they want and the kind of political environment they are in.

In real sense, India and Pakistan are struggling to have Kashmir and in between the people are deprived to live peaceful life.

Here we are struggling to have our own Identity as Telanganites. We want to live a life with equal rights, with equal justice, we want to preserve our culture, tradition, festivals, pride and prejudice as we realized long back that Andhrites don’t respect our culture and lifestyle and have ridiculed it since long and hence we demand separate state where everyone belong to same race and don’t have ill feeling for one another.

In simple, one is an international issue and the other is a national issue and views vary based on the history and its evolvement and if someone still argues on this issue, adi Vitanda Vaadame avutundi.

We are not concerned what KCR has done in TDP. We are concerned of his concern and lead the cause. Tomorrow if you understand & work for the cause, we welcome you as well.

You say, "Some people are telling the Mahaboobnagar people are migrating to other states – Are we NOT – the IT people – migrating to USA – That means India has to be divided and part is to be given to Dubai or Pakistan – We have every right and freedom to visit any place and stay there."

We are migrating as well, but as educated and intellectuals and not as laborers....manamu rekkaadithe dokkaadani paristhithilo valasa velladamu ledu....valla laga...understand the difference. Just imagine a situation where the person has to leave his old parents at home and migrate to earn daily food and not for more money....are IT guys migrating in similar situation? and why did this situation of migration come for MBNR people when river 69 pct of Krishna water flows in their district? Its just because of lac of proper of utilization of resources. Don’t you agree on that? and if they ear Rs. 500, whats wrong in it? and we cannot justify by taking few cases into consideration. Do you know that 65% of Krishna water is used for coastal andhra when the fact is that only 13 pct of water flow in that region while 18 pct of water flow in rayalaseema, 20% water is used for that region and how much water is to be given to telanagana is still unknown. So, assuming total of 85 pct is gone, only 15 pct is given to Telangana....is this a fair share what we MBNR people should get? Our coal is exported to generate electricity in Andhra region. Why should our resources be used for the betterment of other region while we pay the taxes as well. Development is our birth right and to do so, we need a separate state.

You say, " there were 5 ordinary buses from Pune and Mumabi – one to Jadcheral, one to Nalgonda 2 to Mahaboobnagar" but do you know that there are buses from those places to mumbai and pune which carry labors and why are they not carrying from Andhra, bcos very few migrate from Andhra to earn daily food.

We as telanganites say the same, "Have some mercy on our mother tongue." Don’t just ridicule us and our accent. When you say telugutalli, try to respect other children of that talli.

As far as I understand about the concept of Telugu Talli, its virtual and a feeling which was imprinted on our minds as children to feel the belongingness towards Telugu language, region and community irrespective of Telangana, Andhra, Rayalaseema. Why is there no Hindi Talli (Mata), marathi talli..etc and we all know that there are 8-9 Hindi speaking states.

I understand the concept of Bharat Mata as it was made to keep all Indians together for freedom struggle and no Indian discriminates against other Indian for being an Indian. Then, when Telugu Talli concept is made, its made for whole Telugus, why are Andhra Telugus discriminating Telangana Telugus for being Telugus, on their lang, tradition and culture. In such a case, what is the significance and importance of the concept of Telugu Talli. When the concept cannot bind the community together and has its side-effects, why should anyone be interested in such concept.

I understand from internet that Sankarambadi Sundaracharya wrote maa telugu talliki mallepoodanda poem and he belongs to Tirupathi (not sure!). But to my surprise, I don’t find any info on this poet on internet, not even a single dedicated page on him....very strange...why don’t anyone talk his contribution to telugu world then.

As a child, I always liked this poem as it had the sweetness of Telugu language. I appreciate the poet for it, keeping aside the feeling of Telangana, Andhra, Rayalaseema.

So, when andhrites don't have the basic attitude of respecting Telugu lang in which ever form it is and accept, may it be Telangana yasa or Rayalaseema yasa and their respective cultures and traditions where is the question and concept of Telugu Talli and breaking Telugu Talli or mother tongue into pieces and mercy on mother tongue.

Jawahrlal was certainly not a Fool as he said that 'Telanagana was marital alliance with always scope for divorce.'

You say, separation is not the medicine!  Development is! I ask you where is development in Telangana, how many projects have seen light since 1956 or in the state of completion.

"Have a vision, have some mercy and have an outlook"
It was Indias vision that independent India would prosper than under British rule and it was Britons vision that independent India would topple as country and there would be state of civil war after they leave. What happened we all know? If we as Indian showed mercy on Britons, we would have ended as slaves and wouldn’t have seen light of independence. I am not comparing Andhrites here to Britons, but just gave an example of vision, mercy and outlook.

Jai Andhra agitation: As I understand, this agitation was for separate Andhra from madras as andhrites were feeling that they were given less share in state resources of Madras for which Late Sri Potti Sriramulu went on fasting on october 19. 1952 and central govt understanding the fact that this is going to cause a problem of capital city and economic has granted separate Andhra state after which they wanted a share in madras which was not accepted anyway and slowly Andhra state started having economic problems then came the concept of merging Telangana with andhra on linguistic basis and loot the resources of well prosperous Telangana state. If we go on writing the history it might end up in pages and pages......