Telangana State

[zubram@gmail.com]

Then why dont you ask for REAL Telengana which includes Bidar, Osmanabad, Nanded, Gulbarga - like what they did in Jharkhand?

It's a family afffair, affair of one language, Telugu people were downgraded in Madras and is still getting downgraded. 

When I was at Assam they used to call me Madrasi, and by the time NTR visited Assam in support of Gana Parishad - I was identified as NTR man and when returned to Kolkata - PV was PM and we have our own identity! 

Tamilins are very traditional and speak their own language wherever they go.  Keralites are so united - if one person joins he will bring all his relatives, Orissa people are now occupying all major restaurants as cooks in Hyderabad.  Entire carpenters in Hydreabad are from UP, Bihar and Rajasthan, Hitech City is filled with Northern people, Bengali population has increased 10 times compared to 1998 in Hyderabad, Most of the corporate companies are having heads from Kerala and TN. 

At this junture we are just fighting in between.  Any body can rasie the sentiments, any one can speak in support of separation but is there any one who speaks for UNITY of Telugu people.  Whole lot of Telugu people.

We have reached a stituation where we have to say that Nizam has developed the AP. It's his own state...  but who suffered under him.  Telengana people only.

Development of Karimnagar?  Just ask Maruti - Country's highest Car sales in November is from Karimnagar Becasue they started a plan - that any NRI can present a car for their kith and kin -  so highest sales are from Karimnagar.

Just worry about Telugu and our postion in other languages, and what will happen to Hyderabad if it is divided?  Division in a family will not come from within, its seeds are coming from outside. 

[rajpalrao]

As you say you were downgraded by madarasis, whcih is one of the reasons for seperate movement of Jai Anhra, we telanganites feel the same way with Andhrites and hence seperate Telangana.

When you can claim falsely that Andhrites have developed Hyderabad, what If we say that Nizam has developed Hyderabad, whats wrong in it? Indeed he has developed in his capacity as the ruler of the State. And I didnt say Nizam has developed AP. In your impression Hyderabad is AP and vice versa it seems.

As far as my knowledge goes Telangana didnt include Bidar, Osmanabad, Nanded, Gulbarga. The region which included Telangana along with Bidar, Osmanabad, Nanded, Gulbarga was called Princely Hyderabad State which was ruled by Nizam.

And since those regions were already divided on lingustic basis and attached to to karnataka and maharashtra, there is no point and its foolishness to ask them to join back. Do you think its wise? We dont want Nizam to come and rule us again, right?

Any body can rasie the sentiments and its the fruit of that sentiment of one state of all Telugus raised by Andhrites, which Telangana region is suffering from and we dont want to suffer anymore.

You gave good examples of Tamilians, Keralites and others and I personally know many Tamilians and Keralites and no one ridicules other in their community for what they are as Andhrites do and as a matter of fact I know lot of Andhrites who are my friends (only few good ones) and those who used me for their own purposes in disguise of friendship. I agree that there are good and bad people in society and dont have any regrets on that they used me. I just wanted to point out that how cunning they are. Here I would like to clarify one point clearly, my argument or this agitation is not against common Andhrite but is more for a separate Telanagana than anti-Andhra.

If we were given our share in jobs and the resources of the region were used for its betterment, why would anyone want to get seperated. I or anyone would not like to leave a joint family which is caring and taking care of you. Since you have taken an example of one family of Telugus, here I would like to extend that example in 3 forms. As the head of the family do you discriminate between your children, or is there any point in joint family with lot of tensions and daily fightings, you prefer to be nuclear, right, or is there any point in living together for a couple who fight from the point they wake up till they sleep, they better divorce...the situation is similar to our argument.

If maruthi car sales are good in Karimnagar under the scheme where NRI's can present a car for their kith and kin , does that mean Telangana is developed or does it mean that lot of them have migrated from Karimnagar to places in Middle East and people those who migrate to Middle East as labors are also called as NRI's and since I stay in Middle East, I can say that 95% of the people coming to Middle East region from Telangana region are blue collar workers (labourers). Where do you get such strange and unrealistic examples from, which can no way be related to the issue?

[zubram@gmail.com]

Let me take your example of replying and then let me say my few last words.


“As far as my knowledge goes Telangana didnt include Bidar, Osmanabad, Nanded, Gulbarga. The region which included Telangana along with Bidar, Osmanabad, Nanded, Gulbarga was called Princely Hyderabad State which was ruled by Nizam” 

Then how come you make the telengana’s borders?  Telengana is Trilinga – includes entire Andhra – which was ruled by Orugallu Kings.

First of all determine which is Telengana which was “under the occupation of Andhras for the last 50 years”


“Do you think its wise? We dont want Nizam to come and rule us again, right?” 

The reply is in your earlier statement which says that Nizam has developed Hyderabad.  Why contradicting your own statements - ?


Any body can rasie the sentiments and its the fruit of that sentiment of one state of all Telugus raised by Andhrites, which Telangana region is suffering from and we dont want to suffer anymore.

Would you please tell me one thing that how YOU people were suffred from Andhras – except the Governments in which equally the Telengana leaders and Andhara leaders were ruled by only one party Congress. Whether we have forced the people to do any unwanted things? How come the large population is responsible for successive governements in which both were parties? Just think – Change the government, ridicule the government, insist on the development – and development does not mean that every one should get Government jobs!  Now that KCR is telling that he may get 100 MLA seats, and 30 MP seats – and then you can bring the real change in the region – without even joining the Government.  You would have got Volkswagon in Nizamabad, Basara IIT – if IIT comes in Basara – Nizamabad would have got Airport and entire region would have developed like any thing. Even today TRS is in very good position and better ask for industry – and development of Medak Ordinance factory and ask directly for the Private Industry participation  like Jharkand or Orissa.





“Here I would like to clarify one point clearly, my argument or this agitation is not against common Andhrite but is more for a separate Telanagana than anti-Andhra.”

The hatred – even in family – is uncontainable !  Every telugu – whether belongs to Telengana or Andhra – whether they are staying at AP or other states – just watching the things without any help from any side.  We are help less ...


“As the head of the family do you discriminate between your children, or is there any point in joint family with lot of tensions and daily fightings, you prefer to be nuclear, right, or is there any point in living together for a couple who fight from the point they wake up till they sleep, they better divorce...the situation is similar to our argument.”

This argument the basic thinking that we are the head of the family is nonsense.  Telengaana is one region, Srikakulama another region and Rayalaseema is another side...  There is no question that head of the family or some thing like that.

We may have internal differences, but when it comes to outsider, WE ARE UNITED. 

Well, I do not wish to prolong this arguments...  I am also 56 years old, came to Hyderabad in the year 1965, my uncle was here when Nizam was ruling.  My ancestors were inaamdaars  Golconda Nawabs ( today we have nothing)

Thanks for the discussion.  Excuse for the  hyper activity I created.

You separate or not separate – but the hope that the Governments will do for us is not the kind of argument in these days.

[rajpalrao]

I have an absolute respect for your age as I believe that old people are history books and there is lot to learn from them, at the same time I belive that there is no harm in contradicting their views on issues which I feel are right, but with all due respect.

Its more of a discussion rather than an argument, we both are presenting our opinions and views and there is no harm in it. So, I encourage you to continue the discussion as its always a source to learn more and know more on various issues.

Well coming to the discussion, development is part of a rulers duty and not vice versa. Though a ruler might be a despot, but he might have developed his territory well.

Would you please tell me one thing that how YOU people were suffred from Andhras?
The answers are:
1) More than 2 lakh jobs of Telangana locals taken over by Andhrites due to non-implementation of mulki rules.
2) Of the three regions of the state, Telangana has the largest area, with 11,48,000 sq km. River Godavari is flowing on the North and the river Krishna is flowing on the South of Telangana region. Apart from the major rivers, there are other small rivers such as Bhima, Dindi, Kinnerasani, Manjeera, Manair, Penganga, Praanahita, and Peddavagu and Taliperu.

In the then Hyderabad State, medium projects, like Pocharam, Dindi, Palair, Vyra, Manair, Khanapur were constructed apart from Nizamsagar Project, which was completed in 1924-31. It was envisioned to utilize 58 TMC water to irrigate 2,75,000 acres of land in Nizamabad District.

After the formation of the state of Andhra Pradesh, the proposed projects under Godavari, Krishna basin were not implemented. Also the water resources were diverted to the Andhra region. Servel projects envisaged under Godavari delta basin were ignored and Devnoor project was completely removed. The Pochampad project was sanctioned under pressure from Telangana leadership, but the entire water utilization under Godavari was now reduced from 400 TMC to 112 TMC. The reservoir capacity was finally sanctioned for storing 82 TMC of water. With this capacity, the Godavari valley projects irrigation is now reduced to 10.25 lakh acres from 40 lakh acres. Many projects sanctioned could not be implemented properly even after 5 decades of formation of Andhra Pradesh.

Usually the allocation of water is based on the available water in catchment area and the land available for irrigation. Under the Nagarjuna Sagar Project's left canal, 161 TMC of water should have been allocated, but only 82 TMC of water is available for irrigation.

The water allocation to the Andhra Pradesh state was 1480 TMC under Godavari basin and 856 TMC under Krishna basin. By looking at the ground facts, it is obvious that how much disparity has been shown on Telangana region.

Given below are the facts of water allocation for Andhra and Telangana regions from Godavari and Krishna rivers.

The river Godavari flows for about 79% of its catchment area in Telangana. Geographically about 70% of Telangana land is suitable for irrigation. On this basis Telangana region should get 70% (1036 TMC) allocation out of 1480 TMC and the rest of 30% (144 TMC) only should have been allocated to Andhra region. But the ground realities are quite different and shocking. The water utilization under Godavari basin is about 760 TMC so far, out of which 320 TMC of water is being diverted to Andhra region as against 124 TMC. This resulted in diverting 281 TMC of water from Telangana region to Andhra region.

River Krishna is no different from river Godavari. River Krishna flows for about 68.5% in the catchment area in Telangana and 31.5% catchment in Andhra region. Only 37% of water (266.8 TMC) is allocated to Telangana region against 68.5%. Where as 500.1 TMC water is allocated to Andhra region. Only 27% of water is available for cultivable lands in Telangana. It means 50% of the Ayacut under Krishna basin in Telagana is not getting water.

Of the three regions of the state, Telangana has the largest area, with 11,48,000 sq km, followed by coastal Andhra with 9,28,000 sq km. The cultivable area is estimated at 64,02,358 hectares in Telangana and 46,33,304 hectares in the Coastal Andhra. But 13,12,795 hectares or 28.33 percent of the cultivable land in the Coastal Andhra is being irrigated under canal irrigation system, whereas 2,66,964 hectares or 4.17 percent of the cultivable land in Telangana is receiving canal waters. The entitlement of Telangana of waters of Krishna and Godavari rivers is 975 tmc. ft. In 1974, 800 tmc.ft water was allotted to AP by the Bachawat Award to Andhra Pradesh. A re-distribution of this in 1981 saw coastal Andhra getting the major share with 377.07 tmc, Telangana 266.783 tmc and Rayalaseema 123 tmc. Telangana's share in Godavari waters is 709 tmc.ft of the state's total allotment of 1,495 tmc.ft. Out of its total share 1153.50 tmc (from all sources) barely 380 tmc is used for irrigation.

The amount spent in Telangana so far is Rs. 4005 crores while that spent in Coastal Andhra is Rs. 19,693.50 crores, nearly five times higher. In terms of percentage, while Telangana got a mere 15.5 percent, coastal Andhra got 76 percent. If the principle of expenditure proportionate to cultivable area were to be followed (as it should be), Telangana, with 44.28 percent cultivable area should have got an equivalent amount and coastal Andhra 32.04 percent. Instead, coastal Andhra got more than twice its share.

Since 1956 to date, the additional irrigation potential created in Telangana is only 5 percent since none of the planned irrigation projects have been completed although they were planned 30-40 years ago. The 12 projects sanctioned for Telangana at an estimated cost Rs. 5,449.53 crore to provide for 10.08 lakh hectares have been progressing at snail's pace for decades.

The Sriram Sagar Project (SRSP) was started 1n 1963 and is yet to be completed. Even the first phase of the project was not completed after 33 years.

Callous indifference and neglect of maintenance of tanks in Telangana has reduced the area under tank irrigation by half, an unprecedented occurrence. In 1956-57, 4,47 lakh hectares were under tank irrigation which has come down to 2.26 lakh hectares. This increasingly made Telangana farmers resort to exploiting groundwater which is suicidal for a semi-arid region.

Well, the above 2 facts make clear on how the region was deprived of its share on its resources. I or we as Telanganites are not fully making large Andhra population responsible for these causes, but to some extent and the govt's and the influence of Andhra elite. If a common Andhrite is not responsible, then its wonder to me as to how the 200,000 local jobs are filed by non-local Andhrites.

You say, "This argument the basic thinking that we are the head of the family is nonsense.  Telengaana is one region, Srikakulama another region and Rayalaseema is another side...  There is no question that head of the family or some thing like that."

It was nevery my idea of saying that Andhrites were head of family. I just gave an example of 3 situations in family, since you said that all Telugu's are like one family and I dont consider any outsider as head of my family....I would rather die than putting my self-respect at stake and give an outside the authority to control my desitny.

"We may have internal differences, but when it comes to outsider, WE ARE UNITED."
Was a good saying in olden days, but now a days, its all get set go...We may have internal differences, but when it comes to outsider, we deal it ourselves w/o others help and moreover we cannot rely on a predator to protect us. When it was dealing with freedom struggle, Nizams atrocities or Kasim Rizvi's crazy razakar movement, it was we alone who dealt with it and no Andhrites have come for our help.

[truthwhines]

"I am also 56 years old, came to Hyderabad in the year 1965" -
Mr.Zubram, you have lived in Telangana for more years than I have LIVED! However - sadly - as a person who is here just to 'settle' for socio-economic reasons and nothing more. You are a poster child for the cause of separate Telangana. You will never see the injustice that we see because you are more concerned about your 'telugu identity' and maintaining your status quo as long as it serves your purpose than seeing the injustice around you and raising a voice even after living here for more than 42 years !! And you expect the elected representatives who change every 5 years to do justice?
The development you talk about is like British "developing" India - just to further enrich themselves using the   political clout to exploit local resources at the cost of natives.

[smyneni]

I have a neutral perspective here. At least I think it is neutral 

Both my parents are Telugu speaking. My father spent most of his time Nizamabad and Ranga Reddy districts while my mother moved to Telangana after her childhood. She feels she is more connected to Andhra, while my father protested for a separate Telangana during his university days.

I was born in Hyderabad and spent most of my life in Hyderabad and Nizamabad districts. But my only identity is that of an Indian. I don't have any emotions connected to either a united AP or a split AP.

Now, having laid out my background and feelings, this is what I believe is happening. In every state, (including Karnataka and Maharastra), there are regions that are under represented or underdeveloped due to inadequate funds. In all cases, government revenues seem to go to regions with most "visibility". I believe that the case of Telangana has been the same. Besides Hyderabad, I don't think funds and proportional development has reached rest of Telangana. If the citizens who reside in Telangana feel that they could do a better job if they formed a separate state, I don't see any reason why Telangana shouldn't separate.

But I also wonder what would happen in a new state of Telangana. Would the same elected leaders of Telangana, who till now have not had any positive effect on the state, suddenly work diligently for the improvement of the new Telangana state? Our would we be giving them a monopoly on corruption since they are "established leaders"?

I've always wondered why our first generation leaders decided to create states on the basis of language? I guess that was the easiest thing to do. I don't see anything wrong with it, but it has had the repercussion of increasing unhealthy levels of linguistic chauvinism (I see that in my family too) 

I am 30 years old but have had friends and acquaintances from all over the country. And I've noticed that almost all of them tend to prejudiced against people from other regions and states. In fact I wasn't perfect either  but I happened to have a smarter marathi wife, so I learnt along the way.

So I think it is natural for people from Telangana and Andhra to feel that alienation from each other. I also see how under developed Telangana has been. So perhaps creating a new Telangana state may be a good idea for the sake of administration. But I always suspect the regional and linguistic reasons for creating or preserving states. This kind of chauvinism is never good in the long run for the nation.

-Sachin

[zubram]

What I would like to ask is, do we, being a Telugu, do not have the sentiment?  Whether the sentiment is patented by those small group of TRS people?  As they have suddenly awoke and enlightened about under development of their region, we are being suddenly disturbed to inform us that what we have perceived and attached and loved as our capital Hyderabad is now being denied? 

Instead of making dharna and talking irresponsibly like “You people came here with lungi without slippers” etc., if KCR and their company really wants a separation, they should stop speaking dirty language ( only if they want it in real terms) and stop asking for 610 and forcing the CM to issue 61,32,499,395 etc GOs without understanding the issues, sit with the Government and call the people like Rajagopal ( Vijayawada MP) and discuss the pros and cons and make a beginning of sorts so that people will come to the terms. 

You have lost many years, we have lost our investment – So what we need is a compensation and gentlemen agreement.  The Congress will continue to dodge the issue, YSR is a master in divide and rule policy.  Mr Harish Rao categorically articulated that issue and no one from TDP could able to articulate this matter as Harish did!

If the proceedings are watched – I stopped watching ETV Andhravani – because the moment it starts it speaks about 610! 

In the meanwhile some body is going to pay very big price!  I can tell you that Telengana or No Telengana – ordinary people will not effect in no way!  Middle class people will feel no heat – except the people who look for Government jobs and businessmen who wants contracts.  One party is going to pay very big price and the exchequer will become empty! 

We the people – TELUGU people – do not want any disturbance and state should not plunge into anarchy, disorder, chaos and mayhem! That is every one is asking for.

Please do not get fooled by the statements of Congress!  Their promises!  They are more worried about 2009…  Mrs Pratibha Patil’s arrival should open the eyes of every Indian, the speech of Rahul Gandhi in UP Elections should make the Indian’s to realize about how far the public has developed themselves while how much the politicians particularly the Congress went in reverse way!   We are still in the Indira Gandhi days – so far YSR is concerned.

Realize, reaffirm and find some remedy – which is in the hands of every adult!  That is VOTE!